Native account abstraction: leave validation open to account code (EIP-8141) or bind it to a protocol-defined set of authenticators (EIP-8130)

Protocol design · 22 participants · 36 quotes · 2026-08-24 ~ 2026-09-15

Gabriel Shapiro (lex_node) provocatively said that L2s are great for the crypto industry and for those who own sequencers, but for the Ethereum protocol itself they are merely less bad than competing L1s, and that L2s that are not Stage 2 are not true users. Pedro Gomes (pedrouid) fired back that the premise that improving user experience is bad for Ethereum makes no sense, and that Ethereum would not have survived without rollups.

Background

Ethereum's scaling roadmap has moved toward leaving execution to L2 rollups while L1 provides data availability through blobs (blob, EIP-4844). L2Beat classifies rollup trust assumptions from Stage 0 to 2, and Stage 2 is the highest stage, where exiting to recover funds to L1 is guaranteed by code even if the operator behaves maliciously. lex_node reads Vitalik's earlier-this-year shift from an L2 scaling strategy to Ethereum's own CROPS value proposition as a sign that the logic of treating L2s as Ethereum's own scaling strategy is wavering.

Why it matters

The answer to this question determines the case for expanding DA and for blob pricing policy. If L1 eventually converges on a strategy of proving every block with ZK, blobs could be redefined not as a resource for L2s alone but as one shared with L1 and apps. The community's judgment on whether to treat sub-Stage 2 L2s as Ethereum users will shape future roadmap priorities.

Resolution

At ACDE #245 (2026-09-10), the EIP-8141 frame transaction was confirmed as the headliner of the Hegotá fork. The shared-standard collaboration between 8130 and 8141 broke down on September 14, and it was settled that Base and Ethereum would each implement their own AA standard.

Key points

Against — They are only "less bad" for Ethereum itself

CH, Pedro Gomes, jesse.base.eth, Eric (ericliu.base.eth), _gabrielShapir0

For — Without rollups, there would be no Ethereum

ً, vitalik.eth, donnoh.gwei 💗, soispoke.eth, Vicki.hl, binji, 🤖DR 🇺🇸, Pedro Gomes

Neutral — Blobs are a shared resource, not an L2-only one

Derek Chiang | Ethlabs, Mislav | Ethlabs, NaoX | Post-Quantum Chain, ً, donnoh.gwei 💗, tim-clancy.gwei

Other — The CROPS slogan is empty and the process is illegitimate

Tay 💖, conall.gwei

Other — Isn't it that no proposal is abstract enough?

conall.gwei

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